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oursethofarda:

imfunnyujusthavetobelieve said: Well this sounds like a fun way to start the week.

Yeah, it would kinda suck to have a fire hit us less than two weeks after lightning destroyed a bunch of our stuff.

He didn’t accept the death penalty. He used it to accomplish His mission.

And then He rose again and defied it.

Amazing, yes?

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Open Discussion on U.S. Illegal Immigration

waterkid72:

flyingonconfidence:

waterkid72, you’ve been the most vocal about this problem out of all the people on my dash. I don’t really agree with you, so let’s talk it out. I’ll let you make the first statement.

I understand your point with illegal immigration been a problem. However, many of these people are escaping the horrible atrocities that are going on right now. I live in El Salvador, where brutal deaths happen every day. We’re smaller than most states in the US, and we have 10-14 reportef deaths each day. Gang violence is a constant threat to us. I myself witnessed a murder beside me. My main issue is how some US people are treating immigrants.

The term illegal alien in and on itself is so offensice and unhumane. It dehumanizes others, even if those who use don’t do it intentionally. Yet, many politicians are treating this issue like some sort of invasion, treating immigrants as invaders, plunders or criminals. Obtaining US residence legally is very contriced and hard to do, mind you. Many immigrants are abandoning their homes, their culture, and taking horrendous risks to escape violence and poverty.

Consider that the Obama administration has the highest count of deportation than any other administrations. So, this is complicated, and I know, but that isn’t an excuse for the hostile response from many politicians and even self professing Christians. Many protesters went to yell to this kids, us that the response they deserve? Rep. Michele Bachmann compared them to a pest. I mean, come on! They’re humans. The US has a history os welcoming immigrants kindly, but also of discriminating and harrassing them, so yeah.

At the very least right now, the response should be humanitarian, and a compassionate response would be to give them assylum. Just imagine what would happen if the tables were to turn around in the future.

The humanitarian angle you take is understandable. Our perspectives are interesting, we have an angle on either side of the issue (and for the sake of discussion, I’m considering it in binary terms). In your country, you see the violence and brutality the illegal immigrants are running from. These people are also ethnically closer to you than they are to me, which makes it a bit easier for you to empathize with them. There is nothing wrong with this.

Here’s what I see: I see a wave of people descending upon my country, that my forefathers fought for and that millions of Americans have laid down their lives for. The refuge that is the United States has not been cheaply won, and we’ve been gracious enough (and economically logical enough) to permit immigration through legal channels. The process is meant to A) maintain the safety of existing citizens by keeping criminals and/or spies out, and B) maintain the health of the nation by quarantining especially dreadful diseases that travel with some immigrants. Both of these purposes are nullified by illegal immigration. With the current disaster at the border, we’re seeing diseased children in large numbers, some of which are released with their alien illnesses into the legally documented US public. And you speak of the atrocities committed in your country on a daily basis… I can assure you, the murders, rapes, thefts, and other crimes you see are also present in the US. And, in far too many instances, the offenders are illegal immigrants.

Not to say that ALL illegal immigrants are diseased or evildoers – that would be irrational. The risk, however, is exponentially higher if the immigrants are not being screened through official channels meant to protect the true interest of the US (and that would be the citizens). 

The problem, however, is not just with the immigrants. While this administration may have the most deportations out of them all, there are hundreds of thousands of pending deportation reviews in backlog in the court systems. The border laws are not properly enforced, and reports have come out of this recent debacle of the Government actually turning away volunteers and charity workers and aid, especially church workers. This combined with the fact that the government is releasing some ill children into our public school systems that we legal, documented taxpayers fund, all makes my blood boil.Mind you, more against the government than the illegals. 

Our systems are strained already. The public school system is in decay, the health care system is a nightmare, unemployment is sky-high, and this administration can’t even take care of the veterans who served this country with honor. Our vets deserve better treatment than illegal immigrants, yet that is not what’s happening now. 

It’s a huge mess in so many ways, and I can understand if some of it was not known to you as a foreign citizen. However, there’s so much more going on that trumps the issues like how offensive the term “alien” is, or who compared the influx to a swarm of “pests”. Yes, the Bible encourages kindness towards the less fortunate, but here’s the problem that you might be hung up on, and it’s an issue for the mainstream left in the US: The Bible speaks at a personal level, not the level of government. As individuals we are told to be all those nice things, but we can’t do that for every single person. We try to do so through the government, but unless the US where 100% Christian, it would be unfair to some group or another. The Bible also says “Render unto Cesar that which is Cesar’s.” Take that as you will.

Your turn.

It is very hard sometimes walking the line between “I want to be friends” and “you’re so wrong”. Sometimes it’s the hardest thing to not say “You know what, f**k you, I’m right and you’re wrong, you stupid and ignorant piece of s**t buffoon!” Granted, some people fit the description, but I’m really a nice guy. I want people to listen, because I know when I’m right even when so many try and convince me otherwise, but I want to be the good guy who pointed out something that changed someone’s perspective. And calling someone a buffoon just doesn’t do the trick.
But it never seems to work that way. All that ever happens is someone makes a totally inaccurate/assumptive/asinine reply and THAT gets the signal boost.
And it’s like “f**k this s**t, I’m out. I’m done. Nope, nope nope nope!”
And then I’m back next week.

Ah, the life of a white, tall, thin, middle-class, straight, conservative, Christian male on Tumblr.

rackfocus85:

ewsoper:

The Democrats have been using scare tactics and thrusting blame on the other side for long enough.  It’s their fault for not passing a budget during 5 years in power… and yet Harry Reid has the nerve to say that it’s a “Sad day”.  Seriously, Harry, this is all your fault anyway – you, and Obama, and Pelosi, and all the other government libtards.  I hope your approval rating tanks to the negative zone.

Right, like the shutdown wasn’t orchestrated back in August by Senator Ted Cruz when he wrote“James Madison wrote in Federalist No. 58 that ‘the power over the purse may, in fact, be regarded as the most complete and effectual weapon… for obtaining a redress of every grievance…’”

If you think this is anything other than manipulation, you’re delusional. 

And what, in politics, isn’t manipulation? Rhetorical question, in case you were going to try and lamely answer that. You have no proof that Ted Cruze manipulated the shutdown, you are merely throwing blame on him because he’s an unpopular person in the current spotlight. Stop being a libtard and look at the facts swirling around this terrible President and his administration. Maybe you’ll see who’s really to blame.