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A few weeks ago, another former lesbian from a lesbian household came and spoke at my church on a topic much like this. This quote, “We’ve made God little if we believe He cannot change people”, explains why I HATE Macklemore’s song, ‘Same Love’, and Mary Lambert’s spin-off ‘She Keeps Me Warm’. 

I believe that people can change, and God can change people. But they have to believe it, too.

Former Lesbian Turned Christian: ‘We’ve Made God Little if We Believe He Cannot Change People’ | Christian News Network

stay-in-reality-liberals:

Least they seemed respectable back then

What happened?

The same thing that happened with everything else…

“Then, everything changed, when the Liberal idiots attacked.”

The homosexuals on the left I can respect. I have nothing but disgust for everything on the right side of the picture.

Male and Female He Created Them – The Bible and the Reality of Gender and Sex, Part 1

waterkid72:

As a Christians and as a gay individual, understanding God’s will on gender and sexuality is absolutely relevant. This has been studied by philosophers and scholars for thousands of years, and it still is. We Christians based our ideologies on Scripture, and Scripture speak significantly on the topic. Although is important to understand that we can’t jump to conclusions rapidly; many parts of Scripture today are not taken literally because they were never meant to be. So we must always be opened minded to God’s revelation as we try to rightly divide the Word.

In my studies of Scripture and human sexuality, I have come to the conclusion that the basis of most Christian ideologies regarding gender and sexuality are primarily focused on the Creation narrative. When God created Adam and Eve, not only humankind came to be, but with them gender and sexuality came to be as well. This is how the book of Genesis describes the dawn of human history:

27 So God created humankindin his image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them. (Genesis 1: 27)

Many perhaps have heard and even used the phrase: It’s Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. In Latin America the play of words can’t be made so usually most people that oppose gay marriage simply quote Scripture directly: “God created male and female, not two males, nor two females.” Although there are some passages in the Bible that speak negatively regarding homosexuality, the primary basis to reject homosexuality for many Christians lays on Genesis 1. They claim that God created one man and one woman, and as such God made clear what His design for human sexuality is. Homosexuality then falls outside God’s design and is therefore sinful.

As a Christian I grew up with this theology, and a believer of the Bible, I found that it was clear that homosexuality, indeed, fell out of God’s design. Because God creates people either male or female, and it has been as such since the beginning, then homosexuality is clearly out of God’s design. This argument has been the foundation of anti-gay theology for thousands of years, but for thousands of years it has been based on a false premise: human beings can only be either male or female, and nothing in between.

This premise is false.

It’s important to make it clear that I’m not saying Scripture is false. Indeed, God did create two humans in the beginning, and one was male and the other female. This is unquestionable. The premise that is false is the idea that human beings can only belong to one sex or the other, a premise that many people still hold today. In my school, we would buy the books we were going to use for each year (so the school didn’t gave us the books just for one year, instead they belonged to us completely). Before I begun 9th grade, I bought the books a couple of days before class begun, and usually sat down to read the ones I found more interestingly, mainly those about history and biology.

I found that day about the existence of intersex individuals. The book touched the topic for barely a couple of pages, but it still deeply intrigued me. I had never heard about intersex individuals before. As far as I was concerned, every single person in the world is either male or female, and that such thing is determined since the moment the sperm fertilizes the egg. However, we live in a complex world, and things can get very complicated. Intersex is a variation in sex characteristics including chromosomes, gonads, or genitals that do not allow an individual to be distinctly identified as male or female.

There are many intersex conditions. In some cases a person is born with ambiguous genitals. Sometimes, the person has genitals that clearly belong to one sex, but genetically and internally speaking, they have characteristics of the other sex. It sounds strange, but it’s more common than most people think. One interesting condition is called Androgen insensitivity syndrome. This is a condition that results in the partial or complete inability of the cell to respond to androgens (male hormones). The unresponsiveness of the cell to the presence of androgenic hormones can impair or prevent the masculinization of male genitalia in the developing fetus, as well as the development of male secondary sexual characteristics at puberty. If a baby with XY chromosomes (genetically male) has this syndrome, it will develop as a girl, because his body doesn’t respond to male hormones. As such, he will develop a vagina and a vulva, but he won’t have ovaries, because he doesn’t have the other X chromosome, instead he may have testes.

A person with this syndrome will develop as a woman, so externally she will look female. And many girls with this syndrome feel as females, not males. However, they have testes and their chromosomes indicate that they are male. This is just one of the many conditions under that intersex umbrella. Besides people with intersex conditions, there are people with Gender Identity Disorder. This people are what many know today as transgender: people that feel discontent with the gender they were assigned at birth, so many try to behave, dress and eventually transition to an individual of the opposite sex. To many people this may seem strange, and even a defiance to the natural order. However, newer evidence shows that genetic variation, hormones, and differences in brain functioning and brain structures provide evidence for the symptoms associated with Gender Identity Disorder. So it’s not just a psychological issue most of the time, it’s something that happens biologically and completely involuntarily.

Scripture doesn’t give a direct answer to this issue. These conditions have existed for millennia, but where not understood at the time Scripture was written. However, Scripture does mention the existence of eunuchs. Eunuchs were men that were castrated, used by Kings to attend their consorts and concubines. Not all eunuchs were castrated men; this term was sometimes used to refer to men that had deformed or mutilated genitalia, or men that were not interested in sex, now known as asexual people. Jesus mentions them in Matthew 19: 11-12:

11 But he said to them, “Not everyone can accept this teaching, but only those to whom it is given. 12 For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let anyone accept this who can.”

It is unclear if the Lord was speaking of intersex people, transgender people, or even gay people. What is clear, however, is that the Lord acknowledges the existence of people, that sexually speaking, fall out of the norm.

This conditions don’t deny the reality of Scripture, but they do show us that the premise that there only exist either male or female individuals is false, and as such not an ideal premise to understand and interpret Scriptures, in order to understand God’s will on sexuality and gender roles. But despite this, many people still use this premise as a basis to understand Scripture, and expectedly they fail to address these issues correctly. Homosexuality is no different; those who believe homosexuality to be a sin don’t have a problem with the race or feelings of the people involved. The main issue boils down to gender. But as Scripture and nature have shown, there is space for variation. It’s true that God created male and female in the beginning, but this doesn’t mean that any variation to this model is necessarily a sin, and this includes homosexuality.

I believe it is imperative for us Christians to revisit our understanding of gender and sex in Scripture, in order to understand God’s will on people that are not clearly heterosexual or, clearly male or female. This must be done soon, but in a way that is compassionate and loving to us LGBTI people.

These are some resources I recommend for starters:

Intersex article on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome article in Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgen_insensitivity_syndrome

ISNA (Intersex Society of North America): http://www.isna.org/

This is interesting. Vincent, I appreciate how thoroughly you research your perspective on this divisive matter!

Your reference to Matthew piqued my curiosity enough to go and read it for myself. To lend context and further emphasis, the context of the passages you referenced actually spans Matthew 19:3-12, where the religious leaders of the day approach Jesus and try to corner him on straight marriage/divorce. As usual, they get more than they bargain for when Jesus says (paraphrasing), “God puts men and women together in marriage, and unless there’s sexual sin involved they should not be separated. That said, not every man will marry – There are dudes without junk or preference, either by choice, royal decree, or birth, and they are by no means obligated to marry a woman.” 

However, something I just noticed is that in Matthew 19:12 Jesus says “He that is able to receive it [the command that a man shall leave his parents and marry a woman], let him receive it.”

I wasn’t intending for this to be a rebuttal of your points, but I think I may have found something. 

“Scripture doesn’t give a direct answer to this issue. These conditions have existed for millennia, but where not understood at the time Scripture was written. “

I think Jesus probably addresses the issue almost as directly as we can ask for. He tells us what God wants marriage to be, and he tells us to whom it does not have to apply.

To put it in the form of programming language:

run (“sexuality”)

{

 initiate variable: God’s match;

  if (man =/= eunich)

 {

  God’s match = woman;

 }
 else

 {

  God’s match = void;

 }

}

This could possibly be God’s clearest message on sexuality in the New Testament.

Thoughts?

Male and Female He Created Them – The Bible and the Reality of Gender and Sex, Part 1

waterkid72:

As a Christians and as a gay individual, understanding God’s will on gender and sexuality is absolutely relevant. This has been studied by philosophers and scholars for thousands of years, and it still is. We Christians based our ideologies on Scripture, and Scripture speak significantly on the topic. Although is important to understand that we can’t jump to conclusions rapidly; many parts of Scripture today are not taken literally because they were never meant to be. So we must always be opened minded to God’s revelation as we try to rightly divide the Word.

In my studies of Scripture and human sexuality, I have come to the conclusion that the basis of most Christian ideologies regarding gender and sexuality are primarily focused on the Creation narrative. When God created Adam and Eve, not only humankind came to be, but with them gender and sexuality came to be as well. This is how the book of Genesis describes the dawn of human history:

27 So God created humankindin his image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them. (Genesis 1: 27)

Many perhaps have heard and even used the phrase: It’s Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. In Latin America the play of words can’t be made so usually most people that oppose gay marriage simply quote Scripture directly: “God created male and female, not two males, nor two females.” Although there are some passages in the Bible that speak negatively regarding homosexuality, the primary basis to reject homosexuality for many Christians lays on Genesis 1. They claim that God created one man and one woman, and as such God made clear what His design for human sexuality is. Homosexuality then falls outside God’s design and is therefore sinful.

As a Christian I grew up with this theology, and a believer of the Bible, I found that it was clear that homosexuality, indeed, fell out of God’s design. Because God creates people either male or female, and it has been as such since the beginning, then homosexuality is clearly out of God’s design. This argument has been the foundation of anti-gay theology for thousands of years, but for thousands of years it has been based on a false premise: human beings can only be either male or female, and nothing in between.

This premise is false.

It’s important to make it clear that I’m not saying Scripture is false. Indeed, God did create two humans in the beginning, and one was male and the other female. This is unquestionable. The premise that is false is the idea that human beings can only belong to one sex or the other, a premise that many people still hold today. In my school, we would buy the books we were going to use for each year (so the school didn’t gave us the books just for one year, instead they belonged to us completely). Before I begun 9th grade, I bought the books a couple of days before class begun, and usually sat down to read the ones I found more interestingly, mainly those about history and biology.

I found that day about the existence of intersex individuals. The book touched the topic for barely a couple of pages, but it still deeply intrigued me. I had never heard about intersex individuals before. As far as I was concerned, every single person in the world is either male or female, and that such thing is determined since the moment the sperm fertilizes the egg. However, we live in a complex world, and things can get very complicated. Intersex is a variation in sex characteristics including chromosomes, gonads, or genitals that do not allow an individual to be distinctly identified as male or female.

There are many intersex conditions. In some cases a person is born with ambiguous genitals. Sometimes, the person has genitals that clearly belong to one sex, but genetically and internally speaking, they have characteristics of the other sex. It sounds strange, but it’s more common than most people think. One interesting condition is called Androgen insensitivity syndrome. This is a condition that results in the partial or complete inability of the cell to respond to androgens (male hormones). The unresponsiveness of the cell to the presence of androgenic hormones can impair or prevent the masculinization of male genitalia in the developing fetus, as well as the development of male secondary sexual characteristics at puberty. If a baby with XY chromosomes (genetically male) has this syndrome, it will develop as a girl, because his body doesn’t respond to male hormones. As such, he will develop a vagina and a vulva, but he won’t have ovaries, because he doesn’t have the other X chromosome, instead he may have testes.

A person with this syndrome will develop as a woman, so externally she will look female. And many girls with this syndrome feel as females, not males. However, they have testes and their chromosomes indicate that they are male. This is just one of the many conditions under that intersex umbrella. Besides people with intersex conditions, there are people with Gender Identity Disorder. This people are what many know today as transgender: people that feel discontent with the gender they were assigned at birth, so many try to behave, dress and eventually transition to an individual of the opposite sex. To many people this may seem strange, and even a defiance to the natural order. However, newer evidence shows that genetic variation, hormones, and differences in brain functioning and brain structures provide evidence for the symptoms associated with Gender Identity Disorder. So it’s not just a psychological issue most of the time, it’s something that happens biologically and completely involuntarily.

Scripture doesn’t give a direct answer to this issue. These conditions have existed for millennia, but where not understood at the time Scripture was written. However, Scripture does mention the existence of eunuchs. Eunuchs were men that were castrated, used by Kings to attend their consorts and concubines. Not all eunuchs were castrated men; this term was sometimes used to refer to men that had deformed or mutilated genitalia, or men that were not interested in sex, now known as asexual people. Jesus mentions them in Matthew 19: 11-12:

11 But he said to them, “Not everyone can accept this teaching, but only those to whom it is given. 12 For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let anyone accept this who can.”

It is unclear if the Lord was speaking of intersex people, transgender people, or even gay people. What is clear, however, is that the Lord acknowledges the existence of people, that sexually speaking, fall out of the norm.

This conditions don’t deny the reality of Scripture, but they do show us that the premise that there only exist either male or female individuals is false, and as such not an ideal premise to understand and interpret Scriptures, in order to understand God’s will on sexuality and gender roles. But despite this, many people still use this premise as a basis to understand Scripture, and expectedly they fail to address these issues correctly. Homosexuality is no different; those who believe homosexuality to be a sin don’t have a problem with the race or feelings of the people involved. The main issue boils down to gender. But as Scripture and nature have shown, there is space for variation. It’s true that God created male and female in the beginning, but this doesn’t mean that any variation to this model is necessarily a sin, and this includes homosexuality.

I believe it is imperative for us Christians to revisit our understanding of gender and sex in Scripture, in order to understand God’s will on people that are not clearly heterosexual or, clearly male or female. This must be done soon, but in a way that is compassionate and loving to us LGBTI people.

These are some resources I recommend for starters:

Intersex article on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome article in Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgen_insensitivity_syndrome

ISNA (Intersex Society of North America): http://www.isna.org/

This is interesting. Vincent, I appreciate how thoroughly you research your perspective on this divisive matter!

Your reference to Matthew piqued my curiosity enough to go and read it for myself. To lend context and further emphasis, the context of the passages you referenced actually spans Matthew 19:3-12, where the religious leaders of the day approach Jesus and try to corner him on straight marriage/divorce. As usual, they get more than they bargain for when Jesus says (paraphrasing), “God puts men and women together in marriage, and unless there’s sexual sin involved they should not be separated. That said, not every man will marry – There are dudes without junk or preference, either by choice, royal decree, or birth, and they are by no means obligated to marry a woman.” 

However, something I just noticed is that in Matthew 19:12 Jesus says “He that is able to receive it [the command that a man shall leave his parents and marry a woman], let him receive it.”

I wasn’t intending for this to be a rebuttal of your points, but I think I may have found something. 

“Scripture doesn’t give a direct answer to this issue. These conditions have existed for millennia, but where not understood at the time Scripture was written. “

I think Jesus probably addresses the issue almost as directly as we can ask for. He tells us what God wants marriage to be, and he tells us to whom it does not have to apply.

To put it in the form of programming language:

run (“sexuality”)

{

 initiate variable: God’s match;

  if (man =/= eunich)

 {

  God’s match = woman;

 }
 else

 {

  God’s match = void;

 }

}

This could possibly be God’s clearest message on sexuality in the New Testament.

Thoughts?

theenwhitenment:

personalseries1:

fanderpish:

whytestallion:

personalseries1:

boisterousconviviality:

missdoodle:

blackandgreyrainbow:

Real Christians aren’t assholes

In High School I had a friend who was super religious, her whole family was. Despite this, she was pro-marriage equality, pro-choice, and never once tried to convert me or make me feel bad about my own religious decisions (I was and still am an agnostic). She was always kind, and treated everyone with respect, regardless of race, religion, or orientation. For her the heart and soul of being a Christian was to love others and treat others with dignity. She was a real Christian. 

^^^^^

Person you described is NOT a Christian. She may think she is, you may thing she is, but she isn’t. Not even close.

Okay, let’s step back for a second.

First, God welcomes anyone with open arms on one condition: drop your sin. Yes, drop it. If He could not look upon His perfect Son when Jesus took on the whole sin of the world, what makes you think that will happen with people? God is love, very true, but He cannot permit sin in His presence.

That being said, we all have sin. I must get rid of my sin and strive to live as God wants me. I’ll be the first to say I am not perfect and hate how I am never good enough for God. But He loves me anyway. He helps me get rid of all my baggage when I turn it over to Him. People must do the same thing and this includes sexual immorality.

Am I nice to everyone? Sure. Do I have to agree with what everyone says? Absolutely not. God is my provider, not the world. I don’t have to vote for legalizing gay marriage to be Christian. I have to treat everyone with love, but a loving father would do his dead level best to keep his children out of trouble and sin. You can hate me for my decisions but that doesn’t mean they are wrong. I pray for many people every day.

I’ll end with this final point: there are many Christians who treat others badly. I’ll call them out daily. But disagreeing is not treating you badly. I have known Christian gay people to know homosexuality is wrong and take a cow of celibacy. This shows that it isn’t of necessity Christians who keep homosexuals out of the church. And it isn’t of necessity Christians who oppose homosexuality either. May God bless you all.

Always support them. God is the one who judges. Hate the sin, but not the sinner.

Comic is misleading (on purpose), and person described in post is acting against the teaching of the Church.

Thats not a true christian sorry thats just how it is. I guess they can be nice to them but o would not think they couls ever be accepting of them.

As a Christian, this is something I must deal with on a daily basis. I live in Washington, for crying out loud, it’s liberal as hell out here… But I’ve worked with homosexuals, done business with homosexuals, and there’s a cool guy I talk to on this site who is also – you guessed it – homosexual. If any of the homosexuals I know would accept an invitation to the church where I go, I would be thrilled. I’m pro-life, both in the physical sense and the spiritual sense, and if I can lead people to the truth I am fulfilling my duty on Earth.

However, I’ve got to agree with whytestallion on this. My gay Christian friend (waterkid72) looks to Christ for his salvation, and our discussions have revealed some of the extensive research he’s done in an attempt to justify holding to his sexual orientation. Can’t say that I always agree, but we’ve found other things in common and now hold a mutual respect for one another. What does this mean? It means that Christians look at the Bible and try to understand what it says to them. All Christians should draw their beliefs from the Bible, for it holds all the answers to the world’s problems, one way or another. When you hold in your heart faith to the One who took all of mankind’s sins (moral, sexual, inherited, or otherwise) upon His shoulders and paid the ultimate price for our souls, why would you let the evil influences of this world dictate your thoughts and actions? 

My stance is is follows, and I believe it should be a core belief in the Christian community: Love your neighbor as yourself. Treat them as fellow fallen human beings, treat them as you would anyone else. Share your love for Christ with them, and if they also believe then encourage them down the righteous path as you would your other fellow Christians. 

That’s ultimately the interpersonal attitude we all should have. Since we are supposed to be the guiding light of the world until Christ’s return, however, Christians need to bring that perspective into the political arena. I oppose gay marriage, and seeing the American media put homosexuality up on a pedestal for all to see at every turn disgusts me. Biologically, humans are made for man-woman marriages. The Bible speaks about what is good, and it explicitly says that a man and a woman shall cleave one to another and become one – straight marriage. So here’s my worldly solution to balance the discussion: get the government out of marriage entirely. Personally I hate the thought of ‘marriage licenses’. I sure as hell don’t need any government’s permission to marry who I want. Marriage was ordained by God and not Man. Marriage tax breaks? Lower taxes across the board. Let the churches handle marriage, and if some congregations see fit to perform ‘marriages’ without God’s blessing… well, their loss. God will handle them as He sees fit. Perhaps this solution would relieve the tensions towards homosexuals.

Now, the Media is a whole different problem. But for now, I’m going to let it be. That’s a whole different post, theenwhitenment.

peterdwebb, what are your thoughts on this topic?

Repeat after me

shiny-pirate-and-axe:

thisbunatopmyhead:

Girls do not owe boys anything

  • Girls do not owe boys respect
  • Girls do not owe boys affection
  • Girls do not owe boys pleasure
  • Girls do not ‘deserve’ to be punished for refusing a boy any of the above

Boys need to learn that they are not entitled to a damn thing from a woman

Boys do not owe girls anything

  • Boys do not owe girls respect
  • Boys do not owe girls affection
  • Boys do not owe girls pleasure
  • Boys do not ‘deserve’ to be punished for refusing a girl any of the above 

Girls need to learn that they are not entitled to a damn thing from a man

Nobody owes anyone anything, regardless of sex, race or anything else.

People need to learn that they are not entitled to a damn thing except life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.